With the publication of the Williams review and the announcement of the renationalization of British Passenger Rail, i thought i might help out anyone exited for new liveries or branding for trains. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; I wanted to go for something modern yet flexible. Other examples are available Once they'd ditched single colour liveries, they didn't really do anything that wasn't ", One can only hope for a Sectorised return to NSE. That's a different argument (which I disagee with but that's not for this thread). Now the charge of English nationalism is a tedious, largely Remainer trope that I have dealt with elsewhere. If you run across land borders you're going to get it. They were numbered in two series, D5500-D5699 and D5800-D5862. TL:DR - if your a british collector, and you paint your own, PUT THE STRIPPER DOWN. Due to the consequent muddle of liveries, many trains began to get an untidy if not tatty appearance which added to the run-down image of the railway. Great British Railways (GBR) is a planned state-owned public body that will oversee rail transport in Great Britain,[1] with the exception of Transport for London and Merseytravel services, and light rail and trams elsewhere in England. Whatever its failings and they were multitude branding was one thing British Rail took seriously and was remarkably good at. Launched as the London & South East Sector "Express Livery" this was a short-lived scheme which appeared on a limited amount of units and routes before the advent of Network SouthEast's "toothpaste" red white and blue striped livery. If Scotland leaves the UK it must become British Rail as Britain is defined as just England & Wales! Here are his exact words: Hes concerned with the English vote. JavaScript is disabled. As part of this work, the team engaged with industry through a formal call for evidence. And other European countries cope with DB trains in France, SNCF trains in Germany etc. WMT (operationally separate from LNWR by this point) brand to be used additionally on XC services to Nottingham and Leicester (stopper only). Finsbury Park. Western. Swiss rail. The new livery was used with the introduction of the Hastings Line electrification in 1986 to promote new electric trains on that line. It highlighted different ways in which Westminster could invest in Britain's strategic transport network to better-integrate the nation. Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . Its rolling stock initially carried the standard Rail Blue (or blue and grey) livery but in 1992, it introduced a new livery of red and grey, with pale blue and grey flashes. It'll be operated quite differently. There is also a British Standard paint colour BS381C 114 called Rail Blue which was introduced in 1964. They are an intercity operator. How about that but the double arrow in red? This style of livery was also used by CSX Transportation. Read about the differences between Britain, the. It really does look dire. Another Class 52, No.D1015 Western Champion was delivered in another, darker yellow/brown colour described as 'Golden Ochre', though somewhat different from that applied to D5579. All Regions. The distinctive angular shape of the HST power cars did not lend itself to applying yellow on the leading face, so the yellow was wrapped around and extended along the side of each power car, although the coaches retained the usual Rail Blue coaching stock livery. In response to this announcement, the Great British Railways Transition Team is looking at changes to support the development of the new industry structure, and considering ways in which the current system can be simplified and improved. 1 Pre-corporate liveries 2 Early liveries 2.1 Coaching stock from 1948 2.2 The second phase 2.3 XP64 3 Rail Blue 3.1 Locomotives 3.2 Coaches and multiple units 3.3 Local variations 4 Moving away from Rail Blue 5 Sectorisation 5.1 InterCity 5.2 Network SouthEast 5.3 Regional Railways 5.4 Rail Express Systems 5.5 Railfreight Pre-corporate liveries It appears that while the plan is to brand all trains under GBR with one branding, that plan involves a much longer time scale: People are understandably sceptical about the frequent rebranding of trains and stations carried out under the privatised system, so the branding will be introduced alongside other improvements. Still makes me cringe everytime I see/read 'Great' in front of anything British since this mob got in. I still think" Great British Railways" will be mostly likely be termed GBR, most of the time. Likes Received: 1,930. It's a given that there will be brands underneath GBR - if there weren't, it would make travelling pretty complicated. I think you are mixing up ownership with some form of ideological uniformity. Livery Guide Great Western Railways/British Railway Western Region. though we may have to wait for a new govt for that to happen. Non-corridor coaching stock and other multiple units received all-over Rail Blue until about 1980, when most received the same blue/grey livery as corridor coaching stock. The 4REP and 3/4TC EMUs were a notable oddity, initially receiving all-over Rail Blue despite being express corridor stock. Particularly if they are just vinyls on white painted trains. It's only as complicated as you want it to be. [7]. [7], GBR will use a slightly modified British Rail Double Arrow and the Rail Alphabet 2 typeface for branding. Except their is massive nostalgia for BR days. Question for the designers. Managed to get a look at a new proposed one: But my point is that DB have had the same basic livery for so long. [7], Under Network Rail, all stations are formally in public hands since 2014, but only 20 (mainly large termini and central stations) are managed directly by it. RM CN0PKR - Britania 70000 in British Railways Livery at West Somerset Railway, Minehead, UK RM C1N4A7 - Totnes Littlehempston Station with Goods Vehicle in authentic 'British Railways' Livery, Totnes, Devon, England, United Kingdom RM ER5JCR - 46138 Royal Scot Class Steam Locomotive - British Railways L Great British Railways: The Williams-Shapps Plan for Rail (print version) Ref: ISBN 978-1-5286-2465-7 , CCS0321182446 05/21 , CP 423 PDF , 55.8 MB , 112 pages Order a copy Existing leases of stations to devolved transport authorities will continue. The great livery might only look good on certain trains, while on others it looks rubbish. The Southern Region types worked mostly on the Charing Cross / Cannon Street - Hastings via Battle / Dover and Ramsgate routes and on the Victoria / London Bridge - Brighton / Littlehampton / Hastings via Eastbourne routes. The double arrow is still overused, though. The British Railway official livery for meat & fish vans (and other stock which normally travelled in passenger trains) was originally crimson with yellow lettering. The Double Arrow is used for stations on maps, so that's really a no-brainer frankly. I wonder if you could make a hybrid of the two? The old Northern signs worked well, but only Metro/WYCA really got behind the co-branding opportunities, that I saw. Roofs were Dark Grey and underframes originally brown, but later black. [13] Initially new locos were still painted in the traditional Rail Blue livery, but starting with Class 56 number 56084 the new Large Logo version was standard on new locos delivered to BR. It's good work (and the previous set). I reckon a simple logo like the one youve depicted will be what we see. I'm not convinced "InterCity" services warrant different branding now, as they are no longer of premium quality in terms of service provision; in many case they're just regional or commuter services (thinks XC and GWR in particular). We use cookies. This livery suited these diesel hydraulic classes, and allowed the Western Region to once again show a degree of independence; it was not applied to any other diesel or electric classes (other than the Class 42/43 "Warships"). For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I personally do not think there should be a standard livery across the network on the grounds that regional identity would be lost. Search for a trade mark - Intellectual Property Office (ipo.gov.uk), https://twitter.com/MrTimDunn/status/912009372292780033, Somewhere along the West Anglia Main Line. British Railways (BR), which from 1965 traded as British Rail, was a state-owned company that operated most of the overground rail transport in Great Britain from 1948 to 1997. English regions, Scotland, and Wales will have their own variants, but these will still emphasise the national nature of GBR. I'm inclined to disagree. A livery, similar to ScotRail but with the upper dark grey bodyside replaced with a dark blue, was created. JavaScript is disabled. In the early years the colour faded quite badly, becoming lighter and paler with time although this problem had been overcome by the late 1970s. Suffice to say, an actual English nationalist would not be passing controversial legislation to enable Westminster to spend even more money on Northern Ireland, as this Government is. After this time small variations in the Rail Blue livery became much more common. Because it was a nationalised industry run by the British Government. A later version added a red stripe along the lower edge of the locomotive bodyside. London Midland (pre LNR), that was white on black but the same idea. I do also like the theory that these regions they mention will be named after old railway companies. I don't think the red understripe would appear though, and there will still be calls from TfGM, WYCA TfWM, TfW, etc. Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? And it that light it is intriguing that Ministers have. [13], On 5 February 2022, the Department for Transport launched a public consultation for the location of GBRs headquarters. One overarching brand, with sub brands sitting below it, for long distance services and regional brands all under the GBR moniker, much like we do today with Southern, South Eastern, South Western, Northern, etc. I said this on another thread, but this is definitely a more appropriate one. Here is some variants of my original 'swallow inspired' design. the handling/liability of pensions etc. JavaScript is disabled. Despite the InterCity brand having been introduced in 1966, in 1985 the word 'Executive' was dropped and the livery was applied to all coaches and many locomotives used on InterCity services. Like the Thameslink 700 "can't be bothered" livery. The government has promised to base the organisation outside London to promote economic growth and skills in a region beyond the capital. Why does it need to look the part - what does nationalisation look like? This idea often seems to pop its head up. Japan had JNR (Japan National Railways) and now, post nationalisation, it has JR (Japan Railways). And the more I see RA2 and its symbols, the more clumsy it looks. BRs own history says otherwise. Boris Johnson has announced that Britain is to have a new public rail operator, Great British Railways (GBR), in the biggest shake-up of the country's trains since privatisation a quarter. I suspect not many. Why not capitalize on it? More middle days; they were improving quite a bit in the 1990s. All HS2 and NPR services to be branded as Intercity Express. And if Northern are still running trains to Glasgow, a new paint job would be a great moment for the Government to stump up for good rolling stock. With the reorganisation of British Railways in the mid-1960s, a complete break with the past was signalled by the introduction of a blue and grey livery which dominated all passenger rolling stock until the mid-1980s, when a new Intercity livery (dark grey and beige with a red and white waistband) was introduced along with a number of regional colour schemes. GBR will own all stations and most infrastructure in Great Britain. Judging from the signage and station painting they will choose something somewhere between boring and ugly, and we will be stuck with it everywhere, for ages. How many people list how attractive a train is when you ask them why they decided to go by car or train? Heh. I really quite like that now. There just isn't room on a well functioning railway for true competition, so you might as well focus on the passenger experience, not the rail operator experience. Introduced in 1965, and also known as "Monastral Blue", the colour was defined by British Rail standards BR28/6001 (Airless spray finish) and BR28/5321 (Brush finish). They were repainted into blue/grey in the early 1970s. Introduced originally by the Great Western Railway, the Travelling Post Office would set out from London in the dead of night and deliver . It will replace Network Rail as the operator of rail infrastructure across all of Great Britain (excluding some Valley Lines in Wales and some Merseyrail lines). Please can you explain the advantage of such a nationwide livery? Instead, I just added an icon next to the full text and removed it from the main station name. It is known as Great because it is the largest island in the British Isles, and houses the countries of England, Scotland and Wales within its shores. Bare minimum. In 2001, as passenger work for diesel locomotives operated by Virgin CrossCountry came to an end, a number of their Class 47s were painted in "heritage" liveries that they had carried in the past, including the former D1733, now 47853, which once again carried a near-correct version of the XP64 livery. No.31271 in Railfreight "triple grey" livery with Construction sector markings. ScotRail was the brand name under which British Rail operated passenger services in Scotland and cross border services to Northern England and London. [11][12], The location for GBR's headquarters is currently being determined. In October 2021, the Secretary of State for Transport announced a competition to find a location for the headquarters of Great British Railways outside of London. A mock-up for the British Railways Mark 2 stock was displayed at the Design Centre, 28 Haymarket, London, (the showrooms of the Council of Industrial Design) in 1964. 3,609. thomalex said: One of the big ones is an end to endless rebranding of trains when the operator changes with various bit of old livery hanging about for a long time, never mind the cost and waste involved. Budgets and delivery will be held at the local level as well as at the national level. Once we lose TOC branding I certainly think service categories need to return, if only on the Dutch basis of them only describing service patterns rather than anything else. Rail Express Systems was the sector of British Rail responsible for transport of mail and parcels traffic. But we know that anyway - ScotRail is blue based, as was Regional Railways. A nod to the past in the liveries would be nice like with the modern GWR too. GBR will develop masterplans for station renewal. The easiest way to guarantee readibility at night would be to use retroreflective coatings, like those used on road signs. Theres no vote in Northern Ireland for him or his Conservative party so he doesnt care, hes hands off.. What possible negatives are there to none enthusiasts? This long term strategy for rail will be a landmark resource, enabling a clear and agreed direction for the railway. Sadly cream on modern stock looks quite bad, or I suspect one incarnation of GWR might have tried it white might work ok instead. You are using an out of date browser. Although from the mid-1960s to the 1980s the organisation was associated with "Rail Blue", a number of other schemes were also used, especially when it was split into operating units or "sectors" in the mid-1980s. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Lima class 47 D1574 British Rail Green Livery UNBOXED at the best online prices at eBay! GW 1 1 Great British Railways Some franchise brand names are good, such as Trans Pennine Express, but perhaps those longer distance brands might be lost to one all encompassing GBR brand. Differences should merely be factual, not corporate. I never knew I had OCD until that remark lol. Avanti merged with LNWR to form a GNWR brand. Agree, having at least 'intercity', 'regional' and 'metro' would be good. You also get a more legible and cohesive transport system. Feb 1, 2020. its going to be at least 6 months before we even get a branding document, and IMO over 2 years before we get any new liveries or Humbrol paints. This error in colour identification comes from an article and question published in a Model Railway Magazine in the 1950s, where the responding editor made the error, and it has frequently been repeated since then. Rail alphabet had the advantage of being clear, legible and was pretty much consistently applied. Because for my money blue & grey is not the "same basic livery" as Swallow, neither is NSEs toothpaste anything like the red and cream worn in the 50s. There have also been subtle font changes. It may not display this or other websites correctly. It is not necessary to have it on platform signs as if you don't know you are on the railway when you see them there probably isn't much hope for you. The FT reports: The reforms will still allow private companies to run services but they will instead work under a more prescriptive management contract, similar to the system in place on the London Overground.. The old Northern signs worked well, but only Metro/WYCA really got behind the co-branding opportunities, that I saw. I'm not aware - what are TfW doing? We need a sense of professionalism and togetherness, one branding brings that. I wonder if we might actually see things like "Northern - by Great British Railways" rather than one single overarching branding. Unfortunately, there is little sign that Beattie actually intends to do anything differently, in this regard at least, to the Democratic Unionists he hopes to supplant. For cost reasons, liveries were usually changed piecemeal, when coaches came in for scheduled maintenance. Anyone got a suggestion for the government's latest bright idea today along the same lines, '. It might have the operator identified in a small way too. [8] The review had been launched in September 2018 and was led by Keith Williams. The white paper does not specify whether the branding of devolved railways such as London Overground and Merseyrail will be affected.[7]. The livery comprised brown upper panels with a colour described variously as "biscuit" or "fawn" along the lower panels and separated by a broad orange band. The current lot is an absolute mess. A bit like this but without the fuzzy outline on the text and double arrow (caused by MS Paint's paint bucket tool): Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; I had a play around with this, and I agree, it looks. Something will need to be kept open for Open Access Operators to be distinguished. The x-height of the lower-case lettering should be equal to the height of the horizontal arms in the symbol, so that the row of text appears to align with them. Which does what it says on the tin. The standard livery for most British Railways steam locomotives was black, often with a thin red, cream and grey "lining" (trim), while express passenger locomotives were not painted "Brunswick Green" (Which was the former colour of the Great Western Railway) as is often stated, but were painted in British Standards: BS224 "Deep Bronze Green" also known as "Land Rover Deep Bronze Green LR001" with orange and black lining. Underneath that in a smaller font, about half the height of the space between the botton track and the bottom of the arrow "Operated by [whomever] for Great British Railways". I tried going with the National Rail icon in the right hand side, but it was too small and nobody would notice it. Find out more Contact us Freedom of Information Jobs at GBRTT Media Sign up for GBRTT News Privacy and GDPR Terms and conditions Plus what is one persons opinion of a great livery will be different to the next. JavaScript is disabled. for some form of co-branding. But do we really want to go back to that? A corporate livery was created for major express services in Scotland, which effectively consisted of the InterCity livery with the red stripe replaced by a light blue one. It may not display this or other websites correctly. All Class 42 "Warship" class diesels were delivered in green but some Class 52s were delivered in maroon to match the then-standard coaching stock livery. Just like when a new TOC has taken on a franchise, the old TOC name gets removed and the new TOC name gets badged in top, like a big rectangular sticker. The attachments illustrate this. "Image of No.47163 with Silver Jubilee Union Jack", History of Blood and Custard (Crimson Lake & Cream) Livery, Information on Freight Locomotive Liveries & logos, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=British_Rail_corporate_liveries&oldid=1136093401, Articles with unsourced statements from December 2014, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0. [14] After this date, the passenger versions of Class 37 and 47, as well as Class 50, were routinely outshopped in this livery. S strategic transport network to better-integrate the nation in 1986 to promote new electric trains on that Line the that. 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