Mr. GOLDSMITH - So, then, really, no purpose would have been served by checking those records? (Its address, I later learned, was 11310 Gemini Lane.) There was a problem loading your book clubs. Anyone e1se? Mr. WILCOTT - Well, that was just those that were assigned to XXXXXX and those projects that were assigned to XXXXXXXX. The incident interested me enough to question the F.B.I. Below is an obituary from the Austin American-Statesman published on Dec. 15, 2019. Mr. GOLDSMITH - But as a matter of routine, would the CIA cash disbursement files refer to the cryptonym of either the person or the project that is receiving funds? Mr. CORNWELL - On that occasion to whom did you speak? In 1992, Congress passed the President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act that placed all remaining government documents pertaining to the assassination in a special category and . Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Mr. SCHAAP - For the record, I have made a list of all of these spellings of the names which have been mentioned, which I will give to the stenographer so that he will have, them correctly. The mayor, Mr. Sawyer, was Dominic Casaro. In 1999, a friend and fellow researcher named Steve Gaal discovered among the listings of the JFK assassination section of the National Archives website a notice of a letter written by a Mr. Glaze to the HSCA. Mr. PREYER - And have you made that available to us? Wilcott swore in a secret session It has every one that I can remember. To calculate the overall star rating and percentage breakdown by star, we dont use a simple average. However, if you received this information two or three months after the assassination, at a time that Oswald was already dead and had been dead for two or three months, what purpose would have been served by checking records that were only 30 days old? Mr. DODD - Just one second, then. Mr. CORNWELL - Is there any chance that that record stil exists? Mr. WILCOTT - I really don't know. I am sorry. What it was is hard to guess. Towards the end of my tour of duty, I heard certain things about Oswald somehow being connected with the agency, and I didn't really believe this when I heard it, and I thought it was absurd. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, I am. It was an infantry replacement center as well as a German POW camp. At the time of the assassination, Shelley was in his sixteenth year of employment at the TSBD. Mr. GOLDSMITH - I realize this is testimony 15 years after the fact. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Mr. Wilcott, you indicated that after receiving this information concerning Oswald's cryptonym, you went back to check some files, is that correct? There is a very large spider guarding this web of secrecy. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, I did. It doesn't have every one. Wilcott lost a good job after leaving the CIA after his employer was told he would soon be under incitement when he wasnt and never was. Spaulding Jones, former branch manager of MacMillan, said they moved in around 1957 or 1958. Dave -- I can't remember his last name, Deputy Chief of the China Branch; and then a person whose last name was XXXXXXXXX in the XXXXXXXXX Branch. Mr. PREYER - He stated that as a fact and not that he believed it was drawn out for Oswald or it could have been or something like that? Yet their new location was seven miles south of the intersection of Royal Lane and Interstate 35 at 8301 Ambassador Row. Mr. DODD - Would you care to tell us any of the names of people whom you communicated with? Was there something more to this move than meets the eye? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. Glazes meetings with Shelley were therefore not at the Ambassador Row facility, as I originally believed, but rather they occurred at the building on Gemini Lane. House of Representatives, It was just a three-ring binder, and we would list down the advances by cryptonym and the amounts and then reconcile that with the daily disbursements. Did you recognize any part of it, the first two letters or the last portions of it, as referring to any geographic area or any type of activity or anything like that? Mr. DODD - Am I to presume that you told your wife of the conversation you had with this case officer at the time it occurred? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. He was in the military service over there, and so you feel be was a double agent who was trained while he was in the military by the CIA, and you mentioned he was given a Russian course. In my letter to him, I praised him for his courage and expressed the hope that someday he might fill in the gaps of his story for the sake of history. (sic) The CIA and the JFK Assassination. They received threats over the telephone, even death threats. Although he left in December 1973, he was certain that the musician who disappeared in Dallas was not among the core members of the band. Mr. GOLDSMITH - So, does that mean you were able to check back only thirty days from the time that you were given this information? Its perhaps a moot point anyway, because based on what youve told me, you now know more than I do. Mr. WILCOTT - It was my Request for Advance Book. His father lost weight and developed a stoop in the way he stood and walked; his hair and facial features aged prematurely. Mr. WILCOTT - No. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. Mr. WILCOTT - In 1963, I wasn't think that much about it. Shelleys second claim was that he joined the CIA. WEDNESDAY, MARCH 22, 1978 . Mr. SAWYER - Were there any other instances of harassment? Mr. CORNWELL - You had signed a secrecy oath while you were employed with the Agency? Mr. WILCOTT - Not at this time. Supposedly, he fell asleep at the wheel, or committed suicide, when he rammed into the back of a semi-truck. Mr. WILCOTT - My current one that I had on my counter. 359-360, 386-387. Jerry Fox, SR Branch, Soviet Russia Branch -- Mr. GOLDSMITH - Mr. Wilcott after leaving the XXXXXXXXX Station, was there any other time when you came across any information that indicated that Oswald was a CIA agent? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Just as in the case of Carolyn Arnold and Roy Truly, the strange menace that Glaze encountered in early 1975 continued to follow him through the course of his life. Mr. WILCOTT - Not publicly. (2009), James W. Douglass explains this in detail, including the James Wilcott story. Mr. PREYER - I will ask a few questions. She confided this information to Mrs. Bergin and told her that she had a copy of the First Ladys dress, pink in color with the black velvet collar. Mr. PREYER - I believe you have written an article about this, an unpublished article. Mr. WILCOTT - It was a book that I had. Mr. WILCOTT - No, sir. Mr. WILCOTT - XXXXXXXXXXXX George Breen, Ed Luck, and. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, in a speculative manner. [3], Actually, the move took place a few months before the assassination. Mr. GOLDSMITH - I have nothing further, Mr. Chairman. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Drawing your attention to the period immediately after the assassination of President Kennedy, at that time, did you come across any information concerning Lee Harvey Oswald's relationship with the CIA? In addition, all of my interview notes and tapes inexplicably disappeared. 1964, of course, the Vietnam war was going on and Lyndon Johnson was now president. [15] Shelley testimony, Volume 6 of the Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits on page 327, hereafter to be cited as 6H327. Mr. WILCOTT - It was stated as a fact -- Oswald or the Oswald project. Strange Deaths Of People Who Knew Too Much About The JFK Assassination: 92 Witnesses, Researchers, CIA Agents, Police Officers, Reporters, Girlfriends Who Just Knew Way Too Much! I asked Mr. Peets if he knew of any member of the band who disappeared in Dallas in the mid-1970s. GLAZE, Elzie Dean Age 66, is celebrated by his family for his compassion, humor and willingness to help family, friends and the world at large. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Assuming that Oswald was an agent for the CIA, would the agency's cash disbursement files have referred to either Oswald or to his cryptonym? Mr. WILCOTT - Surely, sir. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, for a limited period. Mr. CORNWELL - All you can recall is that, when you. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir, early 1964. Mr. WILCOTT - I cannot remember. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. According to former CIA finance officer James B. Wilcott's testimony before the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA), Lee Harvey Oswald "was a regular employee, receiving a full-time salary for agent work, for doing CIA operational work." Mr. GOLDSMITH - Mr. Wilcott, did I ask you to prepare a list of CIA Case Officers working at XXXXXXXXX Station in 1963? Feel free to use any part of it as you please. The significance of Glazes 1989 letter is that it provides a tantalizing piece of information which may indicate a covert side to the depository itself. (Their previous address was 501 Elm Street on the first floor of the Dal-Tex building.). Roy Truly was, up to the time of his death in 1985, continuously frightened by "federal authorities." I called the number of the Avalanche Journal in Lubbock, Texas and got the personnel director. This is an indication that the covert side of the schoolbook business had shifted to the Scott Foresman and Southwestern building, perhaps because the notoriety of the TSBD had hampered its ability to conduct smuggling operations and thus had to be discontinued. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Mr. Wilcott, are you here with Counsel today? The shot killed Dr. King. Ruffians driving by yelled derogatory things and threw objects at the house such as half-empty beer cans. According to one of the FBI reports of the first interrogation of Oswald in the Dallas homicide office: OSWALD stated that he took this Coke down to the first floor and stood around and had lunch in the employees lunch room. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Did you have any basis for thinking that their security was poor? Mr. CORNWELL - On any other occasions? Henry Hurt, author of Reasonable Doubt, discovered such boxes while investigating the claims of an alleged conspirator. Mr. CORNWELL - I have no further questions. Walther was sure they were not as high as the sixth floor. We will. Mr. WILCOTT - We had -- in Utica there was a group called the Vietnam Educational Council, which was informed people, formed to inform people as to what was going on in Vietnam, and we didn't feel that there was coverage enough in the media as to what was going on, and the purpose of the Vietnam Educational Council was to inform people as to what was going on. Mr. GOLDSMITH - And have you just described one of those instances to us? There were, as I recall, three men there, all I think in shirt sleeves. Mr. GOLDSMITH - As a matter of routine, there would be that reference? Find all the books, read about the author, and more. Mr. WILCOTT - No, sir, I did not. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Do you remember when specifically this conversation took place? Mr. GOLDSMITH - Do you have any knowledge of any record of the CIA at the XXXXXXXX Station ever being destroyed out of the ordinary course of business, not as a matter of routine? Mr. SAWYER - Are there any others that you can specifially identify as coming from the CIA or FBI? [7] The Bergins house appeared to be under surveillance and their telephone line seemed to have been tapped. Confirming these observations were two more spectators, Ronald Fischer and Robert Edwards, who saw a man with light-colored hair and a light-colored open-neck shirt at a window on the fifth floor. * JFK Facts editorJefferson Morley will personally answer your JFK questions. Charles Givens, like Oswald, had left the building after the assassination. Mr. GOLDSMITH - I understand. His information was that he had been unwittingly involved with paying Oswald through a high security clearance, since he worked in the finance office. Shelleys claim that he was an intelligence officer would make sense if, as an ROTC lieutenant, he received intelligence training and perhaps even given some assignments in counterespionage. JFK Assassination : The James B. Wilcott Files And The CIA Oswald Project: An Investigative Report. The Three Barons proves that it is possible (with enough research), to reconstruct the organizational chart of the JFK plot. In 1938, he became a salesman for Scott Foresman. We had accountings, or we had audits about every two years, and then then files that I kept the requests for advances, the details of the accountings that were done usually on a monthly basis by the XXXXX Station Branches, would be destroyed and then they would be -- and, in fact, I helped destroy them. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Would those summaries be destroyed as a matter of routine, to your knowledge? Mr. GOLDSMITH - So, when the officer told you -- strike that. Mr. CORNWELL - To your knowledge, when was the first point in time at which your extra-agency discussions on this subject matter came to the attention of the Agency, if ever? Mr. WILCOTT - I think it must have been two or three omths (sic) after the assassination. Please publish modules in offcanvas position. Mr. WILCOTT - That is correct. Conditions at home and at work put a severe strain on Joes parents. The Warren Commission did all they could to delay the arrival time on the first floor by Adams and Styles in order to remove the two girls from the stairs when Oswald would have likely been on them. Mr. SCHAAP - Mr. Chairman, I would like to interpose, I guess, an objection, although I would like to make it more in the nature of a request, that I have some problems in terms of advising my client with respect to possibly self incrimination, that I would not advise him to go into questions of his specific knowledge of the oath and the application to what he did other than the fact that he has told you, which is a fact, that he did sign the oath; but to, go into his mental processes as to whether he felt what he was then doing related to the oath in a particular way, I would request that those questions not be asked on the grounds that they may violate either his First Amendment rights or his Fifth Amendment rights, if that would be all right. JFK FILES - The Roscoe White Story: -Grassy Knoll Assassin Or Hoax? My testimony included numerous meetings with a man named Bill Shelly (I am no longer certain of the correct spelling of his last name.) Mr. WILCOTT - I have been trying to talk about this thing and other things for the last ten years. He asked that a copy of the letter be sent to his homenot to the business addressand after he read it, he would check into it. Mr. WILCOTT - They were retained for approximately one year by the finance office, approximately one to two years, and were destroyed at the time of audit. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Do you remember the name of this Case Officer? exactly for sure. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, they did. Mr. CORNWELL - At several points in your testimony you have stated there were six or seven persons, and on each occasion you raised the extent of their knowledge as "knew" or "believed." One of said employees, her husband, and child, disappeared without a trace a few hours after granting me an interview. Mr. GOLDSMITH - When was the first time that you alleged in public that Oswald was a CIA agent. He was still living on Tatum Avenue at the time of the assassination. His mother was a strong, confident woman before the assassination, but afterwards she suffered a complete breakdown in her health and had to be hospitalized. [2] Midnight/Globe, February 14, 1978. Having a double life would not have made Shelley unique among the people who worked at the book depository. Mr. CORNWELL - However, I take it from the fact that, as you describe it, it wasn't always applied, that occasionally you did learn something about the identities of the persons or projects that the cryptonyms referred to; is that correct? Mr. WILCOTT - My name is James B. Wilcott. I will be back in about 10 minutes. [26], Pierce Allman, a local newsman, later said that after he approached the TSBD, a man he recalled as Oswald near the front of the building, directed him to a phone inside.[27]. [5] Interviews of Ted Leon and Thomas H. Butler. Mr. GOLDSMITH - And how did that come to your attention: Mr. WILCOTT - -- to the Miami Station. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Who was George Breen? Whether they are there now or not is hard to say. Wilcott was a private pilot and landed his plane at noon, 11-23-63, Tokyo time. Mr. Wilcott, maybe we can expedite this somewhat by asking you this: Do you have any first-hand knowledge or information as to a link between the failed Bay of Pigs operation and the assassination of John Fitzgerald Kennedy? Also in this investigative report is information and connections on prime suspects : CIA Agent William King Harvey, CIA Agent George Joannides , CIA Agent David Altee Phillips and the confessions of CIA agent David Sanchez Morals and E Howard Hunt. Mr. PREYER - So that in XXXX, you indicated, six or seven people talked to you and were, as I understood it, rather definite about the Oswald connection? Mr. GOLDSMITH - Would you read the list to the Committee? Mr. WILCOTT - I believe our full strength was around XXXXXXX and we never actually had that many, I don't think. Standing next to him was a man wearing a brown suitcoat. In the decades following that fateful day, former employees of these companies have been reluctant to answer questions. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Do you know whether CIA Headquarters would have had either copies or originals of the cash disbursement files? And I will ask the question again, okay. I don't recall its origins with clarity, but I think it was given to me by a professor at Southern Methodist University here in Dallas. The incident involving two government agents asking new employees strange questions also occurred at this location. William Weston examines the curious letters of Elzie Glaze and considers potential connections between the CIA and the Texas School Book Depository. As we shall see, this might have been designed to conceal the fact that some people working there were being harassed and bullied. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Your book. Mr. GOLDSMITH - With whom? Mr. WILCOTT - That is correct, sir. Near the two freight elevators were Shelley and co-worker Billy Lovelady. ). At my request, he sent me a copy. Afterwards, Joe visited him in his office and could hardly believe the change that came over him. It was not until 1999 that I located and spoke with Leslie Thompson, one of the original members. In November 1963, on the Friday before Thanksgiving, President Kennedy was riding in a Lincoln convertible rolling through the streets of Dallas. Mr. WILCOTT - No, sir, they did not. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Do you remember where this conversation took place? of the Select Committee on TESTIMONY OF JAMES B. WILCOTT, A FORMER EMPLOYEE OF THE CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY: Mr. GOLDSMITH - For the record, would you please state your name and address and occupation? Mr. GOLDSMITH - Well, if I understand your correctly, then, you answer now was somewhat different from what you testified earlier. Perhaps that is why I was so unprepared during that brief step into the looking glass.. It could be a hoax, but sounds sincere. There is an interesting paradox about this issue. Mr. WILCOTT - To the best of my recollection, yes. Mr. WILCOTT - That is correct. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. Mr. WILCOTT - I resigned. When Joe entered the building, he took a recently installed passenger elevator to the fourth floor. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Where is Concord located? One of the aforementioned employees (whose name I cannot recall) stated that when she went to work for Bill Shelly at the school book depository in the early 1970s she was interviewed for the job by some type of government agents who asked if she had been recruited by the F.B.I. His duties routinely brought him in contact with all station people, and in particular with operational agents. James Wilcott worked out of the Tokyo CIA station at the time of the assassination. Joe Molina, credit manager for the book depository since 1947, worked with FBI informer William Lowery in infiltrating leftist organizations. The book depository was in a seven-story, red brick building located at 411 Elm Street. The day after their disappearance, an estimated 20 Dallas policemen pulled up on front of my apartment. Two weeks later, he wrote back: Received your letter of July 7, 1999. Mr. WILCOTT - Certainly, from May of 1957 to January of 1960, I was in the pre-fab building on the Potomac in finance. William Weston began researching the assassination of President Kennedy in 1992, after making a comparison of Anthony Summers excellent book Conspiracy to a book defending the official version called Final Disclosure by David Belin. Mr. CORNWELL - What group was it? James T. Tague was an unintended victim in the Kennedy assassination, hit by a stray bullet while stuck in traffic on the way to pick up a luncheon date. Many notes and gifts, often created by him, are left for us as a tribute to his kindness and love. Mr. WILCOTT - Usually I threw them away at the end of the day or once in a while I would put it in -- I had a little folder where I kept personal things and it is possible I could have out it in there, but certainly it would have bee destroyed when I left. Since the CIA has the capability of engineering car crashes to look like accidents, Harriss name should be added to the list of mysterious deaths, along with Warren Commission witness Lee Bowers, who died when his car ran off the road and ran into a freeway abutment. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, I was on security duty, and on security duty, agents were coming in and out of the station, and I pulled a lot of security duty, three and four nights right in a row, and pulled as much as 24 hours on weekends, and an agent would come back from meeting with somebody and he would be waiting for his wife to pick him up or would be waiting for a call from one of the indigenous agents that he was running and a lot of times conversations would be talked. 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