We want our dealers and our valued customers to know we wont ever do anything like this again., We fully support the Second Amendment and stand by it. As far as the trigger, if the RRA has the 2-stage trigger, it is much better than the stag. That will never happen now. Probably hard now to sell it for half what you paid if at all. Never give one inch or miles will be lost. FREE SHIPPING on orders over $90! Not cheap by any stretch of the imagination, but check out Fulton Armory: http://www.fulton-armory.com/M14-Rifles.aspx. No they dont. There are more corrupt justices out their than honest ones. Hes totally grasping at straws on that point in his video. They did what they thought would keep the Criminal Clinton Administration from making a total all out war on guns. Springfield is DEAD to me. What would I do if I was RRA and SAI? Just keep in mind, if you have a dozen guns in your safe, I GUARANTEE you that at least one comes from a company whos compromised at some point. WebRock River Arms RAGE AR-15 Rifle 5.56 Nato / .223 Rem, 16" BBL, 6 Position Stock, M-LOK Free Float Rail, 30 Round, LAR-15M - Model DS1850 Carbine. Did SA forget that this isnt 1988 anymore and that the internet exists? These lobbyists arent in business to protect gun owners or the Second Amendment. I dont think youre using that word right. I know I wont be buying anything else from springfield armory. If youve already implemented them, great. Springfields CEO on the other hand, either through stupidity, hamhandedness or outright lying has seriously damaged his company. Either dont have any or I overpay to have the stock and have it at a price that everyone individual doesnt want to buy the whole lot at once. Now for 2022, the company ups the game for hunters with the introduction of the All-Terrain Hunter (ATH) , a mid-length rifle that stands tall in the field of AR-platform hunting rifles. Rock River Arms guarantees this pistol will shoot 2.5-inch groups at 50 yards with 185-grain Federal Gold Medal Match semi-wadcutter ammo. Springfield Armory, Rock River Arms Trade Opposition to Illinois FFL Licensing Scheme for Carve-Out. CZ-75/85 are great guns. Springfield can drop dead, Ill support gun manufacturers who support me. Very close to where I grew up. Sorry for the spelling error. I hate to say this Tony, but you are completely clueless about lobbyists. As for Winchester still keeping an eye out for someone selling Grandads old 94 thats beat to hell but still shoots straight so I can beat it up a bit more. When Colorado banned high cap magazines magpul moved to Texas. All evidence to the contrary? They are actively editing social media but refuse to address the issue. had I known earlier, I might have bought a few more colt revolvers..god I wish Id known. Its easy for consumers to march elsewhere, skilled Illinois tradespeople may not be so lucky. Rock Rivers AR builds are superb, and they come in at a price thats quite reasonable (starting at $1,585). If truth about guns knows whats good for them, theyll be taking this story down and apologizing publicly for spreading untrue assumptions. I see only three plausible reasons: 1) Greed millions are never enough. Not saying you have to like what happened, but its soviet Illinois, it was going to happen with or without their opposition. Its sad but it happens. You probably also found out that at least bizapedia reports that the IFMA was dissolved. If you do a little digging, you will find they were importing 1911s from Brazil in the early days too. However, again I wasnt really in the market to add anything else from their company to my safe anyway. Bill Ruger retired from the company in 2000 and died in 2002. So I have to ask. Its GENESEO and its still about 3 hours from Chicago. If you are willing to do 9mm, check out an Honor Guard. RRA will wind up being an LE only shop. When I found out that they hire Vets to assemble and test them, it was icing on the cake and I got one for low $400s. And IFMA successfully lobbied and got a manufactures exemption this bill . WebRock River Arms LAR-15 Lightweight Mountain Rifle | MT1800X 5.56 NATO (223 Rem), 16" Chrome-Moly Lightweight BBL, Semi-Automatic, 6-Position Black Stock, Black Finish, RRA Lightweight, 30+1 Rds. Should have just stuck to the point that hey, you can do anything you want to our dealers as long as you leave us out of it. Glad to see TTAG not shy away from it. Both are were on their way to selling over a quarter million of Springfield product this year. Rugers stated public position was screw every other gun manufacturer and screw the American gun owners, as long as Ruger makes it and we want government contracts! That being said, even if we do, Springfield is done as a company. That is only if Springfield Arms survives this. Oh yes, the Senator behind the bill has many skeletons, http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/illinois-state-senator-don-harmon-law-firm-makes-millions-from-state-agencies-pension-funds-the-watchdogs-oak-park/. As a collector of modern handguns, I was very interested in Springfields new XD-E and was hoping to find one as soon as they became available until all of this political posturing took place in Illinois (I live in neighboring Indiana). Hes told several industry types that he had no contact with IFMA lobbyist Jay Keller and knew nothing of this carve-out. Wasnt there big stink couple years ago about so called kitchen table FFLs not realy conducting business for living and just getting wholesale pricing on guns for themselves and their family members? Ive never had an issue with CTD in a decade. However, the R-51 is a bear to clean and still hasnt proven itself totally for CC, coming off its well documented ill fated Gen 1 launch and Remingtons continued reliability issues. Down side is nobody making spare mags for it yet other than Hornor Defense. Tony- IFMA is SAs and RRAs lobbying firm(as opposed to an existing firm that SA hired. A whole lot of gun owners see the deal as a sell-out. I bought 6 smith & wessons before I ever knew about the incident. In fairness, Sprin gfield Arm ory isnt the only one to co-opt a name that it had no connection to (cough-Henry-cough). I would move EVERYTHING 25 miles West to Davenport Iowa. when supply cant meet demand, then the price increases.. this draws more suppliers into the market to meet demand and you see the price decrease. Were pulling out of IFMA and regret that this happened. In fact, I own a Springfield M1A Scout Squad that they gave me free of charge after I encountered a series of malfunctions with an old SAR8. Cancelled orders? Like other gun-manufacturers Springfield can move its operations to a gun-friendly state. job creation they call it (bribery is such a dirty word). Good luck with that RRA. Hindsight is always 20/20 and the Liberal Dems are always after our Firearms Freedoms. They hate freedom and absolutely love all powerful Government. Granted, the company isnt run by a Henry these days but I thought the paper trail of ownership was fairly clear and unbroken. Springfield for intention; RRA for negligence. F them. Maybe they should look to Beretta. When a big box store is competitive on price with the local gun shop, you know there is a problem. Last Updated. Out of stock. They rebrand the HS2000 as the XD and jack up the price $200. I wanted one with the threaded barrel and suppressor sights. If you dont support Ruger you dont support American ideals. If theres a silver lining here, this law should be shot down by the courts. They will now go to the top so I can wear them out and use the warranty. Divide & conquer. Thank you for bringing this issue to the forefront. Just to be clear, they are using the name of the original company of Springfield, but they are not located in the city of Springfield. Well I will see if I can make a good trade for STI, Para, or a cz had a cz 85 combat one time and traded it, was a real good gun in a 9 mm.Things like this is realy bad just cant trust anyone anymore. I had the EMP4 Contour and a TRP on my 2017 list. S&W was sold for 12% of its former value. I really wanted a trp and a cqb but oh well will get something from another manufacturer. Pretty small and isolated country town. How is he still employed? As far as the betrayal, bear in mind that it was the act of a couple of people and unfortunately there are plenty of freedom loving 2nd Amendment supporters working for SA that will be harmed by their bad judgement. Who Makes Rock River Arms? What gets me is there has been plenty of time and opportunity for damage control or to save face but they havent done anything to fix what theyve done. What opinion? As for Springfield Armory, Im really sorry to see them cross over to the dark side. As I said on Thursday, when it comes to RRA I was, and still am, unsure if they had any foreknowledge of what was about to occur. Grow the hell up and when you get some big boy panties and own your own business you will understand how it works. If workers still want a job, its a reasonable commute. That is their only 2 clients because it only exists and was created for them. (This is in response to Mark). Was very interested in this new pistol too as a possible single-stack semi-auto alternative to my J-frame. Theyre both stuck now. Also, RRA derives the bulk of its money from government and LE contracts so youll have a really hard time bankrupting them with a civvie sales boycott. Hence why, even with Democrats holding a super-majority in both our House and Senate, and a rabidly anti-gun Governor, we held the line even post-Newtown. In the end, the timing proved fortuitous to all involved. So, youre not buying a bunch of Springfields new pistols? I asked one. The owners at S&W that colluded with Clinton paid the price for it. Weve been busting our asses to support our friends and punish our enemies. Because of rumors of canceled orders. So Rock River spent at least $50.000 fund the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association. CTD does our best to price our products at market value. Imagine, a corrupt Illinois politician! Illinois cant shut down a business that way No there is no way around it, RRA and Springfield decided their Illinois customers where not worth the trouble. He supported this legislation, (by not opposing it) that LIMITS CIVILIANS TO 9 FIREARM TRANSFERS PER YEAR!!!! This says a lot about the people running the company. Ruger didnt compromise, they wrote the AWA and betrayed every American gun owner in a most serious way. No more. At least Henry, like Ruger, is 100% American. Nobody moves a company to New York (Remington has moved most out). Thats not fighting to protect gun owners. I say boycott both RRA and Sprinfield until they get sold off to someone who cares about gun owners. You and your mindset are one of the problems with this country. IF WE LOSE RRA BECAUSE OF THIS HYSTERICAL REACTION, thats a blow to liberty. First, they co-opt the name of a famous military armory to start a business with absolutely no ties to the original Springfield. All have been accurate and reliable. Ive heard of them canceling orders. Or how much it was going to take to replace them? Great grip and trigger. thats the one ive just stopped considering. No other IL manufacturers donated, not Armalite, not DSA, nada. Meanwhile, theres another, ahem, firearm blog, that refuses to address the SA/RRA issue. Now that I understand what occurred its pretty obvious as gunners we need to pass on Springfield and run to Henry. He kept his marginal Mini-14 from hitting the list, selling out the gun owner in the process! Dont need it, but I kinda like it. That should be true. you cant fix prices or youll get a shortage. The innovation and embracing of modern ideas weve seen the last 10yrs (MSRs, suppressors, polymer everything, etc) never would have happened under Bill. His quote was basically the above damned if I do damned if I dont and that it wasnt worth the headache. I bought a RRA rifle back in 2012. Everyone (hopefully) recognizes that Bloomberg et al use bad legislation in NY and elsewhere as models to sell to politicians elsewhere, hence the need to use all available legal avenues to demonstrate the fallout from such actions. You can not name another firearms manufacture today that has done more than Ruger to support the NRA, the 2A and firearms owners. Those bastards. As the market changes so does our pricing. The plant where that rifle is made revitalized the area n which it is made. And Im not giving them up, to anybody, under any circumstances. I dont expect everyone to feel that way. That alone is enough to put them out of business. 84283412342. Smith and Wessons deal with the Klinton regime also brought us the infamous and deplorable hillary hole internal lock. business or not your customers are your lively hood. ! mantra. They mustve been channeling Bill Ruger. The ATH V2 comes with an 18-inch, stainless steel, 3/18/2013. Well, not basically, they did. NOW all I can think is SHAME ON YOU!!!!!! Make this a massive intractable mess. I have an SA Profesional that I really like and was strongly considering a Custom Carry, but this turn of events gives me a real pause to that idea. These fat dumb and happy political hacks arent used to burning time and money on issues this far out. Im a New Yorker. If theres something worse than a fanboy, its a fanboy fudd. Whats left after the hate which never leaves? Folks like me are willing to kill for them. Never buying anything from springfield ever again and my one xdm is up for sale as of yesterdayI dont even want it in my safe. Was going to purchase a TRP and was looking at RRA ar. in some cases they are just as passionate about their brands. I just bought a DDM4V11 in January at an unheard of, low price of $1369. Rock River Arms sent me a 6.5 Creedmoor rifle with a tan stock and 24-inch barrel for testing. No lobbyist will take a position without their clients approval, because THE CLIENT PAYS THE LOBBYISTS SALARY. They hate this stuff because opponents can use it. I only purchase products from them with free shipping because they rape you on shipping. Their entire C Suite should resign and they need to prove themselves. And the law mainly affecting small businesses, thats a feature, I think, not a bug. RRA and Mr Larson are the only ones who can make a reliable AR-10. Its a freakin disaster. Magpul moved to WY. In the end, the timing proved fortuitous to all involved.. This would appear to be financial suicide by Springfield. WebProduct Description. Heres a basic synopsis of the original company; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Repeating_Arms_Company#Early_history. I cant imagine the CEOs of those two companies werent in the loop on these negotiations. 2nd Amendment Supporters are up in "Arms" pun intended about the News broken by The Truth About Guns article concerning recent state licensing for all Illinois gun dealers that IFMA (Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association) a lobbying group back by Springfield Armory and Rock River He didnt say, Hey, we screwed up. The CMMG MkW-15 XBE Anvil gets the top pick for enthusiasts that handload or shoot a lot. I would have called my lawyer, the NRA and a publicist. My SA 1911 Loaded Target has been my favorite pistol since I bought it last year. Some would disagree. After Bill Ruger died, Ruger also dramatically changed direction. From what I gathered from this article and all the information I viewed about this organization its hard to say just how much control SA and RRA has over the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Repeating_Arms#History. Meanwhile, over at the Rock River booth at the NRA convention, owner Chuck Larson has professed innocence in the matter. Whats the hangup for SA? He was busted before for bribing a Colonel on a Salvadorean arms deal. Might want to rethink Ruger as well. The bills author was (mostly) Rugers attorneys. Any combination of buying or selling that exceeds 9 is a crime if youre not a dealer. PERIOD. (Im a 30 yr Vet). Plenty of folks out there shooting LWRC, ArmaLite, DPMS who would argue theirs are reliable, accurate, & mo betta too. RRA donated money as well I think they knew about stuff going on, but want to pretend they did not. I would say that Ruger has done more to support the 2A than all other companies combined. No Springfield guns for me. And then maybe. Both companies are stalwart defenders of 2A rights and arent in the habit of heavily funding Bloomberg puppet, anti gun politicians, as has been discovered of both SA and RRA. I am happy with my Polytech. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/28141995/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/illinois-has-long-legacy-public-corruption/, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_state_and_local_politicians_convicted_of_crimes. Web50%. I have a BM-59 kit that still needs to be built. Theyd screw over their grandmother for a dime. In your opinion. Frankly, Im wondering how Im going to sell my existing inventory.. chamber also differ from the 5.56 mm NATO chamber That said, this just breaks my heart to see this moron Reese damage the brand. AR-10-style rifles, the Rock River Arms LAR-8 stands alone. Neither will have the working capitol to sustain a relocation. Peoplr lose jobs, get divorced, buy better guns and so on. Who Makes Rock River Arms? I will now buy another LAR-8 in case you idiots force RRA out of business. We picked up a few seats last fall, but that simply moved the average ideology of the Dem members further left in our state legislature. IRS records have also been found that shows Reese is on the board of IFMA. Springfield Armorys Defend your legacy has a huge hypocritical meaning now. Rock River Arms has The local ones are more like highway bandits than gun dealers. Seems like a stand up guy to me. After further review, Rock River Arms, Inc. (RRA) is immediately severing all ties with the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association (IFMA). We feel that IFMAs integrity is compromised and we will not be a part of the organization. Springfield and Rock River Illinois Sell-Out: Picking up the Your opinion and yourre entitled to it and welcome to voice it here, though it seems you prefer that others not voice theirs if they disagree with you. An M1A was at the top of my wish list that I saving for. Thanks a bunch pricks! This rifle also has an RRA TRO-XL extended free float rail handguard and an accuracy of 3/4 MOA at 100 Yards. I live in Illinois. Simply offering ideas and encouragement. It is in between 5.56 and .223, but will safely shoot both. WebRock River Arms RAGE AR-15 Rifle 5.56 Nato / .223 Rem, 16" BBL, 6 Position Stock, M-LOK Free Float Rail, 30 Round, LAR-15M - Model DS1850 Carbine. If you apply more than 9 make-ups in a year, you are in cosmetology businesses. The company makes a wide variety of weapons, When S&W is in the position to potentially block anti-gun legislation but decides not to because it is better for their business even if it screws their customers, THEN YOU WILL SEE ME call for an S&W boycott. We need to defend our legacy from the likes of them !! Some mightsay IFMAs change of heart might not have made a definitive difference. The Reese clan has done dirty deals before, got busted too, http://www.upi.com/Archives/1989/03/16/Salvador-based-Army-colonel-indicted-on-bribery-charges/5406606027600/, RRA sells to NY LE supporting the SAFE act, which is trying to put a vet away for 21 years for having 17rd mags (no gun, just mags), http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/04/veteran_faces_21_years_in_prison_for_possession_of_pistol_magazines.html. With all the gun control in northern Illinois how the hell can they screw all of us like this! Aluminum Mags Just Starting At $14.00 At Rock River Arms. If RRA really didnt know about this, then their next steps should be to cancel their membership in IFMA, denounce the lobying they did, and maybe start looking to move. This year, State Senator Don Harmon needed IFMA to end their opposition to his bill. Rock River Arms offers its version with a twist near and dear to my heart: the new LAR-15 pistol is available in both right- and left-hand configurations. My hard earned money is going to be spent at Ruger. Up yours Springfield! Keller dropped IFMAs opposition, providing cover for a couple of wavering Senators to vote for the bill. And I believe it came with an internal lock on the main spring housing. AND started planning to move out of the state. I want to see how they fix the mess they created with the people who liked their product. Obviously Springfield and others have not learned this lesson and are going down the same road. I have a Rock River PDS carbine. They see deep-blue Illinois as a great place toenact more of their gun control schemes. I see how you fired a shot across IFMAs bow last week. Most importantly, support our brothers in arms in Illinois. You are both dead to me now. The lobbyists sometimes seriously overestimate how happy something will make a member or simply dont have the time to keep the membership completely up to date with minute-by-minute updates on how wrangling over a bill is proceeding. The rights of citizens that theyve agreed to negotiate away will NEVER be restored. Perhaps a company thought they could pull a fast one and nobody would notice. It will make my future purchases easier because two manufacturers are automatically removed from my search and consideration. Make it a campaign issue NOW. Dennis Reeses statement to TTAGon IFMAs deal was insulting. Hislobbyist will continue to fight and protect dealers and gun owners? Ruger today is a strong supporter of everything 2A. Or in the General Assembly. This should put some perspective on how important this issue is to many of us. But I didnt detect a lot of love in his words. This attention to accuracy is especially evident in Rock Rivers new model, the Advanced Tactical Hunter V2 (ATH V2). No more. Henry and Ruger get my votes for Americas Gunmakers. The company was founded in 1996 by brothers Mark and Lynne Zanders. I was a dedicated 1911 guy and really wanted to stick with something with a grip safety like the EMP contour or even the R-51. James Jeffrey, the author's friend, Not everyone reads TTAG or keeps up with this sort of in the weeds stuff. it Beretta kicked Maryland to the curb for their ridiculous gun laws. Some times they have deals. Springfield Armory is a dishonest operation from stem to stern. I only want American Made firearms like Henry & Ruger. ), I DO have a choice with firearms. Join up with other interest groups if common goals can be found. I bought my first Rock This story is libel. Specifications and Features: Rock River Arms AR-15 Magazine AR0116N30 .223 Remington and 5.56 NATO 30 Round Capacity Anti-Tilt Follower Proven Reliability Major mistake, Springfield. Never bought anything Springfield Armory, never will! Ruger sold us out on the 94 AWB and it is well documented. After asking you if youd like to sign up for a membership, and cc insurance. By the time most of them have and Springfield Arms starts looking for a new home, they wont be welcome there. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Yes I am planning on moving. For those who missed it, we broke the story late Thursday evening. LAR 8 is a nice weapon. You would answer your own question if you noticed my opening remark: Ruger was making superior quality products using totally American resources. The silent majority will get the shaft, not gonna be any civil war, get over yourself. Rock River Arms has a reputation for making high quality AR-15s, but they also have a reputation for being expensive. WebSo What Happened At Rock River Arms & Springfield Armory??? As the old adage goes, put up or shut up. Cant beat that! With an MSRP of $860, it is a capable rifle at great price point. Is there a list somewhere? But do they double down on their error (Target) or put things into place that not only fix the error but make them new and better than ever. Maybe then you can explain it to the pussy who wrote this article. What if I want to get some real nice (read expensive) gun and in order to spare my familys budget I decide to sell part of my gun collection? And theyre telling their friends. Gun owners have good memories, it will take a year but Springfield like Target will notice their mistake on their Revenue numbers and blame the weather, the president, insert excuse here. Not now. WebA similar thing happened with Yeti and the NRA, where Yeti ended their NRA-specific discount program but included them in a broader discount program. My sprinters were not seeing much action lately. Its real easy for you people to bash a company when you dont own shit. Damage done. They also make an Original Henry Rifle. Audits of the players, including the lobbyist and relevant politicians, and FOIAs or something for pending investigations against all the same could prove enlightening. I can promise that none, and I mean none of my not unsubstantial refund, is going to wind up in Springfields receivables account. The news of Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms selling Illinois gun dealers and gun owners down the river continues to spread among The People of The Gun. Customer service beyond any reproach. After Ruger (finally) gets all of its new products launched they will have just about all the bases covered. If they pull funding from the group well have some decent evidence that they didnt and dont support this carve out and are catching crap for something which they had no part in creating. Who the hell made this business decision and have they been fired yet? No, they stood by and let their customers get screwed. Smith and Ruger more than compensated for erroneous thinking. Do you rednecks and white trash go out of your way to get the their wrong every single time? What flavor is it, and how much do you want? theyre NOT trapped in Illinois,they can relocate,same as other gun companies have done. Taurus? It may not even pass the House. They have a good ongoing business, why jeopardize it? COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. And now a sell out. The lobbying group in question received money from SA and RRA back in 2014. once you jump in bed with the marketing types. I hear you on that Ruger. How many model airplanes can I buy, sell or trade in one year? Its enough of a turnaround that I forgive their earlier sins.. With support like that, who needs Everytown? Thats rolling over and showing your belly while wagging your tail. Huh? But theyve already heard from their customers about the IFMA sell-out. Springfield Armory had two, and their now-fired lobbyist held the fourth IFMA directorship. I think it was meant to be used with gloves on only. Personally hate to hear whenever CEOs or head honchos make public decisions costing their employees jobs/money. I just wish there was a good M14 clone I could get. Thankfully, we still have two more chances to stop this travesty of a bill. Or companies selling imported crap that pretend to be American. Probably go back to looking at CZ and Walther offerings. That is amazingly SA created it). Bonus was it was stainless frame and made in the USA. But I wont EVER support a company who actively supports an infringement of any kind. No offense intended. Well after reading this and let me add no love for blue Illinois my days with SA are over. If these dam gun man. I have family that works in the town. AND everyone that the lobbyist represents must be in agreement. Yes, that is the cloud which is usually much larger than the silver lining. Ruger, S&W, Springfield, Rock River, Ive seen people complain about Glock and Colt, Hex Mag, and about a dozen more. I have been in similar situations where it is damned if I do damned if I dont. Weve even got a state-centric message board/forum promoting gun rights. After his passing, a new leadership took over the company with many positive results. Did Springfield get shouted down at their own party? I agree. I am sure you do not mean Nissan or Beretta both of which picked up and moved to Tennessee for their headquarters (as well as many other companies). RRA and Springfield can suck my dong, they will never get a penny from me. January 2023. Rock Solid: Rock River Arms NSP CAR Rifle. Two? Thanks Springfield. Wasnt sold on DAO until I shot it. Did you expect anything less than shady from the Illinois legislature? If CTD notices panic buying, cancels prior sales and refunds them, so it can resell stuff that belonged to its customers, thats not their right. At least the company would survive, even if the move was costly. Rock River LAR-8 .308. Since you researched IFMA you also noticed that the $100K was the ONLY money they had in their account, donated by only two companies, SAI and RRA. Please, spend your money where you want. So, if youre looking for a cheap AR-15, Rock We there the courts kill the law or the governor vetoes it, nothing changes the sellout by Springfield. Anyone who tries will come out worse for the experience. There is too much crap that I dont have a choice on (can you believe EVERY RV tire is made in China? Keyboard commandos wont fight it out on any battlefield. When the Maryland Leftistlature passed the odious Gun Safety Act of 2013, making it illegal to purchase many of the firearms made by the venerable Beretta concern, they responded by building their new facility in Tennessee, giving Maryland a stalwart raised middle finger and taking a considerable amount of tax revenue with them.. Ive not the least doubt that the rest of Beretta will eventually follow. Glad I waited. 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