Although some Protestants continued to make and sell alcohol, and many more consumed it, the pressure was . Ive lost members of my family to the IRA in THIS generation. As for those Tyrconnell expressions: major thumbs up. A great whiskey. Get your facts right ! Well, being of Scots-descent, Ill take one of each. Im an American Catholic raised in the bible belt, West Virginia to be exact. As most Irish distillers use their barrels more than once, the color and bourbon flavor is thinned a bit once blended. The version that Im familiar with is, of course Jamison is Catholic and Bushmills is Protestant. I was aware of the obvious problem with the claim that Bushmills is 'protestant whisky' but this gives a great insight. The fact that this blog has been going for so very long tells me the myth is true. Thanks, Mike. No one here has a soft spot in their heart for Paddys?. If I had a choice between Macallan 18 and Redbreast, think Id stay Irish. There is only one Catholic church in my town the rest are Baptist or other protestant. Catholic fiction teaches us then how to better read the Bible, which demands the both/and reading of the letter and spirit. Historically a single pot still whiskey, the flagship Powers Gold Label brand was the first Irish whiskey ever to be bottled. As the graph below shows, close to half the Irish American population is Protestant, while just one-third of Irish Americans are Catholic. Im not surprised this thread is still going strong. In the mean time, the closest I can get to Ireland is my Bushmills and Guinness at night, and Kerrygold butter on toast for breakfast. I became a Whiskey drinker a few years back now, and started with Jameson. And, many thanks to (nearly) all of those who offered comments. best bang for your buck for a sipping whisky. Do not place them next to each other. Yep, this goes back to when Bushmills was still part of IDL (Irish Distillers Limited) and owned by Pernod. ** TONIGHT!! . Though I guess thats for a different forum. It all comes down to politics in the grand scheme of things, be you Yank or Paddy. One company that undeniably did discriminate against Catholics though was Guinness in Dublin yet i dont see any boycotts in place for that. This is wayyyy late, and I apologize, but the record needed to be set straight. Jameson was pretty much founded in 1780 when John Jameson a Scottish guy purchased the Bow Street Distillery, which at the time was one of the biggest distilleries in Ireland. Have heard that Jim Beam (the new owners of the Cooley distillery) may discontinue production on contracted whiskies such as this in order to focus squarely on putting Kilbeggan up against Jameson, Bushmills & Tullamore Dew. There were licenses to distill granted in and around the Bushmills area in 1608. And it was always welcomed as a special Balkan business bestowal, to grease whatever wheels needed turning. Now I have a different taste preference and enjoy Bushmills in the warmer months and back to Jameson when it gets a chill in the air. And let us not forget the new cask finishes of The Tyrconnell. One of them said, My enemys enemy is my friend.. 1996 in coal harbour Vancouver BC. When asked to identify "the term commonly used to refer to the historical period in which Protestants broke away from the Catholic Church," two-thirds of the general public (65%) correctly chose the Reformation. There was still a lot of Catholics in Scotland. Soon after, in a bold move, Irish Distillers decided to close all of their existing distilleries, and to consolidate production at a new purpose-built facility in Midleton (the New Midleton Distillery) alongside their existing Old Midleton Distillery. Ive used Irish Whiskey in Old Fashions and Sours before with tasty results. Enjoy your whiskey and spare a kind word for everyone. Whiskey has no religion. Michael Collins is a newcomer to the market place. No one here has a soft spot in their heart for Paddys? You are a great person to forgive and forget the horrible crime that were personal committed against you. Protestant - to 'protest'. Corvallisbarman is half right. stupid fucks In response, Guzzi This bill . Delicious. Talk about confused. Some, like Jameson, are owned by Catholic companies. (Ref. Jameson has distilled fine Irish malt which has been then sold to Bushmills to use as a blend all of the way through the most controversial of times of Irish English relations to current. Parents did their best to kill thatand they did. I completely understand what Matt is saying regarding religious intolerence. Ive been a big fan of Jamesons for many years, first drinking it when I was younger. Tullamore Dew is aged in ex-bourbon and ex-sherry cask type, whereas Jameson is aged in oak barrels. Also how does Navan end up in a Heineken? As an irish american raised in an irish roman catholic family I can say this: Well, Jeffrey Morgenthaler, youve clearly never been to a privately owned Irish Catholic pub. One happens to be located in a majority Protestant area and one located in a majority Catholic area, big deal! In the tv show The Wire McNulty made a comment about not drinking that fucking Protesant whiskey when asked by Bunk why he always drank Jamesons. Understanding the church. Also, show some class fellas (Burnsy calling me an idiot) my grandfather who is from Tipperary lost friends because of the Black and Tans (you know the English convicts the English government set upon the Irish), in some cases they were beaten to death!! Paddy is pretty readily available in the New York Metro Area, but Ive never seen it since I left for warmer climes. Granted, I dont mix my whiskey with Coke or Ginger Ale, so perhaps Im missing the best presentation of Powers Gold Label. I noticed a little uncertainty about spelling in the story. Just as in an area which is largely Catholic you would expect most employees to be Catholic. I find Jameson to be a bit too sweet, I guess. Catholics represented the unstable Republican persona and therefore the company hired few people from the catholic areas. I must have been misinformed. Went on the Bushmills tour in November 2015. [11], In 1961, a Coffey still was installed in John's Lane Distillery, allowing the production of vodka and gin, in addition to the testing of grain whiskey for use in blended whiskey. The Catholic Whiskey in Dublin was John Powers. I could be fairly sure the master distiller was hired because he was good at distilling whiskey and not because they needed to hire a Catholic. Robber jumps out of an alley, holds up a gun, and says, Are you a Protestant or a Catholic? Man says, Neither, Im a jew. Robber thinks for a moment, says, but are you a Protestant Jew or a Catholic Jew?, are you a Protestant or a Catholic? Jesus, Mary and Joseph! To inject religion into the discussion demeans the very simple fact that whiskey has no religion despite the understandable biases of the past. I got into Powers through my wife, ans she learned of it from Shane MacGowan(s music). Ive always preferred the non-woodsy irish Whiskeys so Powers, Knappogue, Red Breast, and recently the Spots have been my drink of choice and never was a fan of bushmills. Powers' Morte d'Urban, for example, the novel may strike you as the slightly humorous failures of an all-too worldly priest. The make up of the folks who work at Bushmills reflects the religous makeup of Northern Ireland roughly 40% Roman Catholic. Redbreast is wonderful, but spendy. Redbreast was a recent taste and I liked that a lot. In 1841, John Power, grandson of the founder was awarded a baronetcy, a hereditary title. I have a bottle of Midleton stashed away for a special occasion and I keep a bottle of Kilbeggan for my go-to whiskey. The cheap Evan Williams Black Label at half the price (in the USA)has more taste and more of a kick. I was born in West Belfast and I can tell you, that most Catholics prefer Jamesons. We were up near Bushmills this past summer during our Ireland vacation (on our way from Belfast to The Causeway) and our Tipperary-based guide recommended not stopping there due to the companys historic treatment of Catholics. We intend to vigorously defend our position. But generally, if you like it sweet, you like Jamesons products (including Redbreast, 1780, and Powers) If you like it dry, youll prefer the Busmills lineup. There was a big banner from the 80s in one of our meeting rooms that read boycott bushmills they discriminate because they were from the north they didnt use to hire catholic workers. Class dismissed. Love a pleanty His policies were considered heavily pro-Catholic. Funny. Car bombs, kidnappings, murders, protests, etc. In later years I looked more into my family history and came to realize that my Fathers family were local Baptists and my Mothers were Czech Catholics. The fact is that Jameson is the Catholic whiskey and Bushmills is the Protestant whiskey and this is according to people I know That live in Belfast. Drink which ever you palette desires!! I was told by one Irishman the RedBreast would change my life and another one told me that The Irishman Founders Reserve would do the same. Colum Egan (Master Distiller of Bushmills) is himself a Catholic. bushmills / black bush or a shirley bassey as we call it is by far thwe superior whisky in the lower price range. Literal Meaning. Upon this one should decide which whiskey they prefer, and not upon any religous matter. Hi all, please dont reinforce past troubles by making brand choices based on hatred. Youd probably get glassed if you asked the question in certain places in Ireland or Scotland. Jameson Irish Whiskey is produced in Midleton, Ireland, though the original home of the brand is in Dublin. If it was a genuine issue then bars wouldnt serve both. As someone who drinks her whiskey with ginger ale and a slice of lime, I definitely vote Powers over any other. All of it. Powers is a brand of Irish whiskey. The most traumatic era in the entire history of Roman Catholicism, some have argued, was the period from the middle of the 14th century to the middle of the 16th. Still enjoy the Black Bush and the Bushmills 16yr. Hence, Bushmills is Protestant whiskey, which means by contrast Jameson, down in Cork County, must be Catholic. Your email address will not be published. Then I spent another 20 minutes clicking around at random on your site, and then I ended up at this article, neatly explaining the first part of the joke. @Darby )Gill: What a load of nonsense! Sweeter, rich with barley, and perfect with one ice cube. This article is based on a paper delivered at the American Catholic Historical Association conference ID was purchased by Pernod Ricard in 1988 and they sold off Bushmills to Diageo in 2005. You will love this stuff. -as he grabbed the Red Breast off the shelf. Delicious! The Emperor's war against the Lutheran princes put the first Protestant reformers in a difficult bind. The Fair Employment Commission gave Bushmills a clean bill of health. As for the Tullamore Dew, it actually is the perfect mingling of North & South, since the pot still & grain comes from Midleton in Cork and the single malt is distilled at Bushmills (then aged down at LDI). Multi-national corporations, of course, know no religious or other loyalty, except to the almighty dollar/pound/Euro. Jamesons too is lovely. [8] This was a notable departure for the firm, as for many years the big Dublin distilling dynasties had shunned the use of Coffey stills, questioning if their output, grain whiskey, could even be termed whiskey. I find it to be a littlethick? Being RC from Ulster, Ive had Jameson (and other Cork products) in plenty of Prod pubs (whether in Belfast or elsewhere) and plenty of Bushmills in RC pubs (whether in Dublin or in staunch republican areas of Cork, Kerry, and elsewhere), and never been hassled over it. Whiskey and Cocktails Uisce Beatha or Water of Life has been distilled in Ireland for many centuries and possibly even for millennia. The new Tullamore Dew distillery is up and running the past 2 years and back in Tullamore town. It retails slightly cheaper than Jameson in the US, at $16 a bottle. Thank you for the real-world experience! This was a long term plan but theyve brought it forward by about 8-10 years. Bushmills didnt support the Black & Tans anymore than Jamesons supported the IRA! Religion and booze dont go well together so its a subject that perhaps should be avoided. Prom_STar 9 yr. ago And to those who dont know, that hint of bourbon flavor comes from the fact that Jamesons is aged in used American bourbon barrels as are most Irish whiskeys. Clean, fresh. lol. I was raised Catholic by my mother after the parents divorced when I was three. I am going to be the bartender at my college prom, and need a drink that will be popular with the kids. But my personal preference is Redbreast, a twelve-year pot still Irish whiskey produced at the Old Midleton Distillery and a real delight to sip while enjoying a late-night Irish breakfast of sausage, egg, pudding and soda bread. Ireland is %110 united in whiskey. Those whiskeys seem to get along just fine! My wife has just blown raspberries on my belly whilst Ive been reading this crap seriously it doesnt matter which type of sky fairy you believe in bushmills black label vs tulamore dew is a close run thing and depends on how and what mood youre in rather that some stupid pagan affiliation. These are the books and tools I use every single day to make drinks at home and behind the bar. #103. [4] At the time of his visit, the distillery was home to five pot stills, two of which with capacities of 25,000 gallons, were amongst the largest ever built. Just setting the record straight. I often wonder why those Irish-Americans (usually in Irish bars of Boston or New York)who bring up this absurd and frankly bigoted discussion about Protestant & Catholic whiskey do not apply the same rule when it comes to drinking that most Irish of drinks Guinness. The Master Distiller, Colum Eagan, is indeed a Catholic himself and comes from Co. Laois in ROI. Tullamore Dew has lemon notes with wood undertones, whereas Jameson has a light . This is an interesting thread and I have a few more now to try. Cant comment on the long term contract in Cork as I hadnt heard that, but I assume they have some sort of get out clause if there is a contract. . Not what religion you think a whiskey holds. History matters which is why the Catholic/Protestant thing is relevant. @Rob: my scotch comment was tongue-in-cheek. But until 2005 BOTH distilleries were owned by Pernod-Ricard. And we should all be thankful for this. The widely-accepted Irish-American version is that Jameson is Catholic whiskey and Bushmills is Protestant whiskey. For this reason, Bushmills has a bigger flavor, while Jameson has a much lighter flavor. But the Bushmills Distillery Reserve, a bottle of which my very, very good sister recently brought back as a gift from Belfast, is holy smoking delicious good. If you ever try a more exclusive blend or a single malt, dont dare poison it with ginger ale . But that's merely based on geography: Bushmills is from Northern Ireland (a predominantly Protestant region) and Jameson is from Cork - Catholic country. This must be one of the most pointless debates I have seen in a long time. Is Misty protestant? I can see you have been horribly scared by the conflict. Im a man who likes to know what he is drinking. Question, in the US, is Powers readily available? I was wondering this myself. It was largely untouched by the Troubles and paramilitaries. Another Figoli Quinn Website (Digital Ocean) | It is about the spirit in the bottle, not in a church. 12 years of Catholic school in Queens, NY which is probably why Ive been a Buddhist for the last 35+. Eamonn, I thought all that was in the past and your country moved on? Wonderful thread. It is the same oppression that the Hungarians did to the Slovaks over the ages!!!!! He replied, Bushmills. linseed oil is used on its own or blended with other drying oils, resins and solvents as an impregnator and varnish in wood finishing, as a pigment binder in oil paints, as a plasticizer and hardener in putty and in the manufacture of linoleum. from wikipedia, Michael Jackson Besides, Id have to prove I can fill a job where the company cant find a local. Entries are still open for the 2023 San Fr, This weekend, we hiked to the site of a natural ca, Valentines Day. Not enough time to read through comments. Irish whiskeys obtain much of their flavor and color from the coating left inside the barrel from the bourbon aging process. I generally have several bottles of Irish on hand. When it comes to what crosses my lips I guess I am an agnostic. It wouldnt have anything to do with the fact that Guinness is in the Republic of Ireland and Bushmills is in Northern Ireland would it? Ive tried to correct his misinterpretation but he thinks his name is funnier. ** It was also the period during which the Roman Catholic Church, as an entity distinct from other . It was a big hit with my fellow pilgrims. 1 pint of stout and a halfun of Jameson.. Although I prefer my BUSHMILLS Period. Im after trying many whiskies and Jamesons Gold is my current favourite, if a bit spendy. Fast forward 60 years. Paid 10 Euro for a shot of it in Dublin, and well worth the price. Powers Gold Label for me, thank you very much. Potatoes for supper Had drinks in the Irish Embassy (in Korea) as an invited Englishman. I can solve this argument. 2nd line was bottling Jameson. Nostrovia!! I took a fifth of Bushmills with me in my checked luggage. . If you want to support Ireland, go and visit and maybe read a few history books and hopefully realise that most normal people dont give a toss about religious leanings. Cant believe this discussion thread is still going on since 2009! One good friend turned to me and chuckled. Yes, it is definitely misguided, even nuts, but its not a myth. An Italian friend, when introduced to the term Uiske Beatha thought the word was bad water and now refers to it as Aqua Sporca or dirty water. If you guys can get your hands on Kilbeggan, it will not disappointI only recently discovered it and thought Id share. However, some of the buildings have been incorporated into the National College of Art and Design, and are now protected structures. I remember back in my younger days hearing of the Troubles and feeling for those involved and I felt mostly for the Catholics. Click here to learn how to make this and other drinks for a slushie machine! No matter where it is produced. So any Americans who believe this, should change to Murphys at once. Bushmills was my first taste of Irish Whiskey. Its an American argument that doesnt carry weight here, whiskey is whiskey. Then I must be the luckiest Arab in all o Ireland!. All Irish whiskey is great. Shortly after reading this post I dropped by Mortons to see a bartender friend. However, this is just a rumor, but I did hear it from a pretty reliable source in the industry back in Ireland. Powers is my number one as the every day Irish whiskey of choice. I no longer consider myself Catholic, btw. Paddy is a brand of blended Irish whiskey produced by Irish Distillers, at the Midleton distillery in County Cork, on behalf of Sazerac, a privately held American company. I am not trying to be offensive here, but really, it is just so dumb. mhermher 9 yr. ago I always remark "that's Protestant whiskey" at any mention of bushmills, but no one ever catches the reference. And as you can check from the email address I come from Finland, a protestant country. I think Irish whiskey is like Scotch, meant for sipping, not mixing. Go figure . Catholic powers praised the killings, and the French Protestant cause saw a wave of exile and conversions. so stop bringing religion into alcoholdrink what you like and leave the bigotry at the doorif people spent a few hours getting to know each other over a drink we wouldnt have half the discrimination we have today. Bushmills is a great whisky celebrating an important anniversary this year with an updated look that will appear in late 2009. My post was simple stating that the problem still exists. However, the only brand of Irish I ever saw in the Balkans was Tullamore Dew. Im redbreast girl too, but recently been sipping on the Bushmills 10, thought now Im interested to try Powers Gold Label! Your email address will not be published. It is a distinct and beautiful expression of the craft. Porn S, Eugene, Oregon friends! Not that it really matters. This is excellent. Bushmills, in turn, supplies the Midleton Distillery with single malt, which they use to make Tullamore DEW. The overwhelming majority of people in Ireland just want to get on with their lives, as they have always done and forget about this petty conflict. If they do in fact have a Catholic Master Distiller, he is probably just the token worker. What can one expect from people who prefer grappa to the true Water of Life? Slainte. Very easy arrangement. The situation is ridiculous. I came to mention Powers- it seems my work is done. You claim that it is an Irish-American phenomenon, however up in the six counties Catholics drink Jameson and Prod-Brits drink Bushmills there is even a bit of violence attached to it. Maybe they will bottle the Cork supply in Tullamore in the interim. Anyone try Kilbeggan Irish Whiskey? Oh, and as your average American that enjoys the brown, I contend that my enjoyment of scotch does not come at the expense of the Irish, Kentuckians, Tennesseeans or even Canadians! Rabble Rouser, Bushmills is not total UFV (sic) territory in the slightest. It may not be factual, verified, or correct, but definitely true. In 1966, with the Irish whiskey industry still struggling following Prohibition in the United States, the Anglo-Irish Trade War and the rise of competition from Scotch whiskey, John Power & Son joined forces with the only other remaining distillers in the Irish Republic, the Cork Distilleries Company and their Dublin rivals John Jameson & Son, to form Irish Distillers. [1] In recent years, several single pot still variants have been relaunched under the Powers label. Historically a single pot still whiskey, the flagship Powers Gold Label brand was the first Irish whiskey ever to be bottled. In 1886, John Power & Son began bottling their own whiskey, rather than following the practice customary at the time, of selling whiskey directly to merchants and bonders who would bottle it themselves. Thats like native Americans boycotting jack Daniels because of American colonialism. During this period, when the Dublin whiskey distilleries were amongst the largest in the world, the family-run firms of John Power, along with John Jameson, William Jameson, and George Roe, (collectively known as the "Big Four") came to dominate the Irish distilling landscape, introducing several innovations. It is a fact that Bushmills is distilled in Northern Ireland, and Jameson hails from County Cork in the Republic. A friend of mine hooked me on Jerrys Drink which is 1 part Jameson 12, 1 part Irish Mist and a quick splash of 7-up or Sprite. Nose It is Bushmills that supplies single malt (The Old Bushmills Distillery is the only one of the three in Ireland that distills only triple distilled single malt whiskey, while the Midleton Distillery produces grain & pure potstill spirit and Cooley produces double distilled single malt, grain & potstill), as well as doing the bottling for Jameson, Powers & Paddys (All from Midleton, along with Red Breast, Greenspot & Tullamore Dew). It has shaped Ireland's agriculture, literature, song and now, more than ever - our economy.. About 5 or 6 years ago they flooeded Irish bars with it just before St. Paddys Day,almost forcing bars to sell off a lot of free stock they received. What a treat. Raised going to church every goddamned Sunday. This is part of a long standing agreement from the old IDL days. Being good to people is the very best thing you can do for yourself. Good evening All, The answer is that it depends on the distillery. Is Jameson Protestant whiskey? @Allen: I think it show more the bigoted nature of your tour guide than it does Bushmills. Why even Arthur Guinness was a prod. 1. I do believe Irishness & Irish politics is whitewashed for Americans and presented from a certain political viewpoint. I just brought some Tyrconnell 10-year port cask aged home from duty free it is delicious. The only option is to import a case in through the provincial liquor stores at about $35 CAD per bottle. 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